First, DL talks to Malcom Nance, the American author and media commentator on terrorism, intelligence, insurgency, and torture. He is a former United States Navy senior chief petty officer specializing in naval cryptology. He speaks Arabic and is active in the field of national security policy particularly, in anti- and counter-terrorism intelligence, terrorist strategy and tactics, torture and counter-ideology in combating Islamic extremism. Then DL brings in Bakari T. Sellers, a CNN political commentator. He represented South Carolina’s 90th district in the lower house of the state legislature from 2006 to 2014, becoming the youngest African American elected official in the country at age 22. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://news.iheart.com/podcast-advertisers