Today I get to sit down with a longtime friend of mine, Carey Nieuwhof. Listen in with us as we discuss the importance of optimism and how we might rebuild our optimism after having experienced burnout. We chat about the value of friendship, curiosity, and the intentional pursuit of shared experiences. We also talk about the role of leaders in empowering others and building community, and the importance of taking action and activating our faith. Check out Carey's Art of Leadership Academy Connect with Carey: @careynieuwhof Connect with Bob: @bobgoff