We'll be back with the rest of our anti-protest season soon, but in the meantime, welcome to a new Drilled miniseries we're calling "Messy Conversations," getting into all the complicated nuance that unfortunately gets cut out of a lot of climate conversations. This week, Magatte Wade, who runs the Center for African Prosperity at the Atlas Network. She wasn't too happy with our recent coverage of Atlas, so we talked about that, the idea that solving poverty and addressing the climate crisis are mutually exclusive, where free speech ends and property rights begin for libertarians, and a whole lot more. Links: Alliance for Responsible Citizenship (ARC): https://www.arcforum.com/ DeSmog profile of ARC: https://www.desmog.com/alliance-for-responsible-citizenship-arc/ DeSmog coverage of ARC 2023 forum: https://www.desmog.com/2023/10/26/gop-climate-denier-vivek-ramaswamy-headlining-jordan-peterson-arc-conference/ Narasimha Rao's Decent Living Energy Project: https://www.decentlivingenergy.org/ Our Guyana season: https://drilled.media/podcasts/drilled#season-8 Center for African Prosperity: https://www.atlasnetwork.org/partners/center-for-african-prosperity Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices