In this episode, Celtic chats over yerba mate with Lindy Hopper Joshua Mclean as they discuss the mentorship of Gaby Cook, being compared to Frankie Manning, racial fetishization in swing dancing, the dynamics of growing up in Edmonds, internalized conflict in relating to the Black community, the origin of Hella Black Lindy Hop, becoming a Frankie Manning ambassador, the moment he decided to pursue Lindy Hop, the importance of being yourself in the dance, the role of the cipher/jam circle in Black cultural dance, teaching students to connect to their own fire during solo dance, what it means for a city to have a Lindy Hop Community, the economic barriers to entering Lindy Hop, the power dynamics between leads and follows, how privilege and oppression intersect, and listening to women in Lindy Hop. To view the Hellzapoppin clip mentioned in the interview: https://youtu.be/qzc7vY9VTnk To follow Joshua on Instagram: @jazzjune.we, @hellablacklindyhop To visit Joshua's dope dance page: joshuamclean.dance To help support Joshua during this period of social and economic upheaval, please consider making a donation of any amount to: Cashapp: $jazzjune ; Venmo: @JoshuaMcleanDance ; Paypal: https://www.paypal.me/joshuamclean