Today the team speaks to the carpet plug Ali Cha'aban! Get into the mind and hear the insights of this outstanding artist. Hear the dialogue and the backlash that comes with being in the art world. The conversation continues into how they deal with vulnerability and their mental health and find a deeper meaning in running. The team also deal with the concept of expectations and ofcourse - The Shataf report! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.