In this episode, Drew, co-founder of Karak, discusses the evolution of crypto security from DeFi insurance to restaking. He explains Karak's multi-chain support and diverse collateral types. The conversation also covers the challenges of DeFi insurance, the potential of restaking to lower security costs for projects, and the importance of creating sustainable yield sources. Drew also shares insights on Karak's development philosophy, the risks associated with restaking, and his vision for the future of crypto risk management. Thanks for tuning in! - - Follow Drew: https://x.com/Dewpey Follow Jason: https://twitter.com/JasonYanowitz Follow Santiago: https://twitter.com/santiagoroel Follow Empire: https://twitter.com/theempirepod Subscribe on YouTube: https://tinyurl.com/4fdhhb2j Subscribe on Apple: https://tinyurl.com/mv4frfv7 Subscribe on Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/wbaypprw Start your day with crypto news, analysis and data from Katherine Ross and David Canellis. Subscribe to the Empire newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/empire?utm_source=podcasts Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/ - - Sei Labs believes the EVM is here to stay. By providing the fastest time to finality of any chain, thousands of transactions per second and full backwards compatibility with the EVM, Ethereum developers can try out a brand new design space for their applications. Try out sei v2 devnet - visit the new sei.io to find out more. - - Polygon Labs is developing the next generation of open source zero-knowledge tech to aggregate crypto liquidity and user bases with the AggLayer. To support the aggregated future, the Polygon Community Grants Program was launched with 1 billion tokens — all for Polygon builders. Season One of the community grants program is live now, and features 35 million in MATIC to support the next generation of Polygon projects! Join the aggregated future today by applying at https://polygon.technology/grants - - Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction (01:23) Insurance Security in Crypto (12:32) Onchain Insurance Bull Case (22:09) Karak Restaking PMF (26:24) Risks of Restaking (31:02) Size of the Restaking Market (41:04) Sei Ad (42:02) Polygon Ad (43:12) Free Market Restaking (49:17) DSS Curation & Risks (55:17) Karak Traction (01:11:14) Measuring Karak Success - - Disclaimer: Nothing said on Empire is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Santiago, Jason, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.