In this episode, we are joined back Jack O'Holleran to unpack the potential of gas-free blockchains and why these are necessary for mass adoption. We also explore the double-edged sword of "narrative market fit" in crypto, discussing how hype can both help and hinder true innovation. The conversation then shifts to the importance of building for crypto's endgame, the challenges of building in crypto, and how macroeconomic and political factors could shape the industry's trajectory. Thanks for tuning in! - - Start your day with crypto news, analysis and data from Katherine Ross and David Canellis. Subscribe to the Empire newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/empire?utm_source=podcasts Follow Jack: https://x.com/jackoholleran Follow Jason: https://twitter.com/JasonYanowitz Follow Santiago: https://twitter.com/santiagoroel Follow Empire: https://twitter.com/theempirepod Subscribe on YouTube: https://tinyurl.com/4fdhhb2j Subscribe on Apple: https://tinyurl.com/mv4frfv7 Subscribe on Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/wbaypprw Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/ - - Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction (00:35) Skale's Origin Story (12:52) What is Skale Building For? (18:18) Crypto's Change to Fundamentalism (24:13) Gas Free Blockchains (29:40) Ecosystem Growth (41:12) Running a Crypto Company Today - - Disclaimer: Nothing said on Empire is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Santiago, Jason, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.