In this episode, Santi and Jason discuss their respective journey’s as founders and investors. They also unpack the growing success of DePIN and payments systems on Solana, and their respective future outlooks. Additionally, they think through portfolio construction in a world dominated by AI. Finally, they close out the episode by breaking down BitGo’s new stablecoin model. Thanks for tuning in! Resources Why Air Rights Are Trading on Crypto Rails: https://apple.co/3TUp9hA How Crypto Fixes the Internet Monopoly: https://apple.co/3XmqRsD Why GPS Needs Crypto to Evolve: https://apple.co/4eODzHR Blockworks Disclosures: https://blockworks.co/financial-disclosures - - Start your day with crypto news, analysis and data from Katherine Ross and David Canellis. Subscribe to the Empire newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/empire?utm_source=podcasts Follow Jason: https://twitter.com/JasonYanowitz Follow Santiago: https://twitter.com/santiagoroel Follow Empire: https://twitter.com/theempirepod Subscribe on YouTube: https://tinyurl.com/4fdhhb2j Subscribe on Apple: https://tinyurl.com/mv4frfv7ww Subscribe on Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/wbaypprw Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/ - - Anoma is the universal intent machine, introducing a new era of applications where you define the outcomes you want. Anoma’s intent-centric architecture provides a universal operating system for building intent-centric apps compatible with any blockchain. Anoma vastly improves blockchain UX, enables novel applications, and promotes a more human-centric future for decentralized technology. Follow Anoma at x.com/anoma and sign up for the newsletter at anoma.net –  Supra Containers are secured by Supra’s L1 nodes and get access to Supra’s 500k TPS throughput, sub-second consensus latency, and all their built-in services like oracle price feeds and onchain randomness without any overhead. Supra is also MultiVM compatible so you can easily deploy your EVM, Move, and SVM smart contracts here. Get all the freedom, control, and tools you need to build super dApps and bring the world onchain. To learn more, visit www.supra.com/blockworks - - Timestamps: (00:00) Intro (01:25) Founding and Growing Blockworks (12:54) Founders vs Investors (23:14) Santi at Oktoberfest (26:53) The Secondary Watch Market (29:18) Permissionless III's Speaker Lineup (34:13) Anoma ad (35:15) Supra Ad (36:13) DePIN and Payments on Solana (44:45) Does Bitcoin Work as a Safe Haven Asset? (52:38) Thinking Through Portfolio Construction (01:04:35) BitGo Announces USDS Stablecoin - - Disclaimer: Nothing said on Empire is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Santiago, Jason, and our guest