Ahmed is in San Francisco for his first ever visit! As well as attending the San Francisco Blockchain Week, Ahmed set some time to explore a bit of SF and also spent time interviewing one of the pioneers of blockchain technology in SF; Matthew Liu from Origin Protocol. In this episode, the pair discuss: Matt’s experience and key lessons as a product manager at Youtube in its early days Matt’s ups and downs in entrepreneurship What it takes to be a real entrepreneur Why Origin is building a platform for decentralised marketplaces How incentivisation functions in Origin Real practical use cases Differences in the business models between open sourcing your tech (tokens) vs keeping it private (equity) Culture and personality around delivering impact They also discuss the race to digital supremacy between the U.S. and China! If you liked what you heard, please do leave us a review on Apple Podcasts and the other platforms. Don’t forget to support us by spreading the word and hitting that subscribe button! Special Guest: Matthew Liu.