It's conventional knowledge that West Germany was more liberal and progressive than East Germany. Then it stands to reason that West Germany was more accepting of gay rights. But was this really the case? Of course, these things are always very nuanced, and Samuel Clowes Huneke joins me to discuss it in detail. He's written a book called "States of Liberation", and we discuss it in our interview. We also discuss the similarities and differences between East and West Germany in terms of gay rights, we talk about some of the interesting characters that Samuel discovered during his research, and we consider the current situation in Germany. Get the book on Amazon: States of Liberation Samuel on Twitter: @schuneke Samuel's Website: http://samuelcloweshuneke.com JOIN THE THE GERMANY EXPERIENCE FACEBOOK GROUP: https://www.facebook.com/theGermanyExperience  Visit the official podcast website: https://thegermanyexperience.de Subscribe to the YouTube channel: https://youtube.com/c/thegermanyexperience Review the podcast: https://thegermanyexperience.de/rate  Contact me: [email protected]