Our first episode with Charlie and Ryan was so fun we decided to record two parts! This episode we dive into what it was like to plan the biggest wedding of the century, having last minute doubts before proposing, and giving brutally honest style advice. We also have a nice discussion about how...
Published 06/13/24
Sarah’s brother Ryan Clifford joins the podcast with his husband Charlie Bird. Charlie is a clinical therapist, author of Without the Mask and Expanding the Borders of Zion, and former BYU mascot. Ryan and Charlie reveal some of Sarah’s childhood secrets, explain what it was like coming out, and...
Published 06/06/24