E33: Today's guest is Jennifer Phan, Founder & CEO of Passionfroot, a platform which is aiming to become the operating system for creators. Jennifer has worked with some of the biggest creators including Arvid Kahl, Michael Houck, and Ali Abdaal. Being at the epicenter of the creator economy, she knows a thing or two about becoming a successful creator. So, what are the secrets to becoming a successful creator? Let’s find out. *** SPONSOR: I love using Riverside.fm to record all interviews. Try it out 100% free here and when you're ready, use the code FIRSTCLASS to get 20% off any paid plan. *** EXCERPTS: How Being a Creator is like Being an Investor: "As a creator, you can actually apply exactly that kind of investor and portfolio mindset and place a lot of smaller bets, try a lot of different platforms where you create content." — Jennifer Phan (7:56) The Ups and Downs of Entrepreneurship: "I think we're on a very good track. I think it's this roller coaster, right? Like one day it's like amazing, everything looks great. The other day is when a user churn is like, oh my God, how are we ever going to make it?" — Jennifer Phan (28:44) Building Resilience: "You're supposed to feel one third of your time great, one third of your time and one third of your time future. And that shows that you're out of your comfort zone." — Jennifer Phan (29:34) *** TOPICS: How Jen went from VC to creator to founder (4:07) Similarities between VC investments and creators' small bets (7:56) How to attract sponsors (12:28) When to start looking for sponsors (17:39) Advice for younger entrepreneurs (25:40) *** LINKS: E24: Life-Changing Wisdom with Arvid Kahl: From Selling a SaaS Business to Becoming a Creator E25: How To Turn Your Side Hustle Into a Million Dollar Business E26: From Training NFL Pros to Joining a Venture Capital Firm: Justin Gordon's Incredible Journey Jennifer on Twitter Passionfroot's Website JOIN: First Class Founders Premium Membership *** FOLLOW / REVIEW: - Follow - Leave 5-star review *** CONNECT: - Twitter - LinkedIn - Newsletter *** ABOUT THE SHOW: In today's digital age, anyone can start a side hustle and grow it to millions. We explore proven strategies to grow your business each week through the lens of a successful founder, creator, and CEO. Past guests: Arvid Kahl of The Bootstrapped Founder, Tyler Denk of Beehiiv, Khe Hy of RadReads, Andrew Warner of Mixergy, Nick Huber of The Sweaty Startup. If you're a creator, solopreneur, indie hacker, startup founder, or CEO looking to grow your business, this show is for you. *** ABOUT THE HOST: Yong-Soo Chung is a serial entrepreneur who bootstrapped from $0 to $20m in over 8 years. Yong-Soo is the founder of 3 businesses in e-commerce and now, he's documenting his own journey of building an 8-figure business.