Gordon Ramsay is one of the world’s top chefs. He’s also a hugely popular TV personality, both in the UK and the US, thanks to shows such as Kitchen Nightmares, Hell’s Kitchen and Gordon, Gino and Fred: Road Trip. In this conversation, Gordon and Frank talk about earning Michelin stars, keeping standards high, his early promise as a footballer… and the surprise ingredient he once found in a macaroni cheese dish. Co-hosted by Adam Catterall. Frank Warren’s Heavyweight Podcast is a Listen Entertainment production.   See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.