Humanitarian learning experts Dr Nazanin Zadeh-Cummings (Centre for Humanitarian Leadership) and Esther Grieder (Humanitarian Leadership Academy) join forces to help us to navigate the maze of learning pathways and opportunities available to current and aspiring humanitarians - whether through an academic route at university, lifelong learning, or perhaps a blend of both. From research, flexible and asynchronous study and stackable learning through to free bite-sized courses with digital badges – Nazanin and Esther break it down for us and demystify the options in an insightful podcast discussion hosted by Ka Man Parkinson. ___ Dr Nazanin Zadeh-Cummings is the Associate Director of Research at the Centre for Humanitarian Leadership, a Deakin University/Save the Children Australia partnership, and Senior Lecturer in Humanitarian Studies at the School of Humanities and Social Sciences at Deakin University. Esther Grieder is Global Communities and Partnerships Lead at the Humanitarian Leadership Academy. She holds 20 years of experience in the international development and humanitarian sectors, working primarily on education, youth, health and humanitarian issues. Ka Man Parkinson is Communications and Marketing Advisor at the Humanitarian Leadership Academy.