Episode 17: Gary and Gene record this episode while Gary is on the road in Cleveland; more about that in a moment. Gary talks about his recent "warm weather tour" of hot-spots such as Acapulco, Hawaii, Savannah, and Arizona. (He says this has been the first Winter in his life that he's never seen any snow!) Back to Cleveland; Gary tells of his first ever visit to the world famous "Rock & Roll Hall of Fame". The discussion moves into the links between spirituality and art, in particular how creative artists such as the Moody Blues seem to naturally "tap into" higher realities in their lyrics. Gary speaks of how the experience of attending a great concert can really become an enjoyable part of the "happy dream". Gary then brings up some interesting new evidence of the intelligence and spiritual nature that our animal brothers share with us, and tells of his own remarkable experiences while swimming with the dolphins in Hawaii. Gary speaks about his dog Nupey (who was mentioned in DU), and Gene talks about Turbo (Gene and Helen's "baby girl", their 20-year old cat, who sadly is now in her last days here on Earth.) Gary discusses how animals make spiritual progress in their relationships with us, and how experiencing the love of the Holy Spirit is ultimately no different, whether one appears to be in a human body or in an animal one. The discussion shifts to the concepts of lack vs abundance, and how this applies to our bodies as well as to material possessions. Gene then poses to Gary a question many people ask, concerning how, when we ask the HS for guidance, we can be sure it is true guidance we are receiving. Gary mentions his upcoming ‘third book’, titled "Love Has Forgotten No One", and tells about its new release date . Gary and Gene have a good chuckle over a "Spoof" of their podcasts, put together by their friend Steven from the DU yahoo group; Gary then closes out this episode with a reminder about the main three ways for undoing the ego.