Out of the frying pan and into the fire is the perfect summary for Trevor's escape at the moment. Jenny and Joel discuss chapters 4 - 6 of American Arcadia as well as the pervasive ways reality TV (and capitalism in general) tries to tell us our lives need to be commodifiable to be of value. Want to join the conversation in other ways? Visit geeksandgrounds.com to find links to our community discord, sign up for the newsletter, and more!