Olga Tokariuk is a distinguished independent journalist and researcher based in Kyiv, Ukraine. She writes mainly about Ukrainian politics, international affairs, and the role of disinformation and its impact on democracies worldwide. In a compelling interview with our host Augusto Lopez-Claros, Ms. Tokariuk talks about life in war-torn Ukraine, why Russia sees Ukraine and the West as security threats, and the role disinformation and propaganda play in Russia's campaign to disseminate a false narrative about the war. She comments on the end game in this war, both for Russia and Ukraine and why so much is at stake for our rules-based global order on the outcome of this war. Speaking with a rare combination of coherent arguments based on historical facts and a forceful voice, she comes across as an impressively effective spokesperson for the 44 million Ukrainians currently trying to survive the evils of unprovoked Russian aggression and violence. Learn more on GlobalGovernanceForum.org