Welcome back to Gnostic Insights. Today's episode is an interview with one of your fellow listeners to Gnostic Insights and the Gnostic Reformation on Substack. Her name is Hathaway Jane. Hathaway wrote to me saying how much the Gnostic Insights episodes have meant to her. She's also purchased and read A Simple Explanation of Absolutely Everything and A Simple Explanation of the Gnostic Gospel of the Tripartite Tractate, and she has some very kind words to say about how meaningful they have been to her. She said she'd like to talk to me on the phone and I suggested that we go ahead and do it as a public interview so that we can share her growth and her path with everyone else here. Hathaway has studied Jungian analysis independently for many years now. For the past 15 years, she's studied Carl Jung's writing, particularly the Red Book and the Black Book, and then all of the other books that Jung wrote, as she says in the interview. And I find this remarkable because Jung is not easy to read, and Hathaway did this with a high school education at the time. She's now attending university and she is in her last year of college studies. After she graduates from the university she wants to attend the Pacifica Graduate Institute in order to become a Jungian analyst. She studied Carl Jung independently through the Center for Applied Jungian Studies, which you can find on the Internet, and she's also part of the Philemon Foundation. So let's hear Hathaway's journey. Cyd: Hey, Hathaway. Hathaway: Yes, how are you? Cyd: I'm just fine this morning. How are you? Hathaway: I'm good. Cyd: It's so nice to hear your voice. Welcome to the program. Thank you so much for being here. Hathaway: Oh, no problem. I think your book is incredible. I'm not kidding. I mean, I have told you in my life I lived through my ego self 100% and I definitely had different personas that I put on for my family, so-called friends, people I thought were my friends. And it's strange because I think I told you from 16 to about 29 I was an addict. And every day I wake up and I feel so incredibly blessed, just because, seriously, I mean, I know how hard it is. I know that. I honestly I shouldn't be here—like there were a few times that came real close to not being here. And, my life was such a crazy mess, I can't even explain. I got sober and I still was just in something inside me. Just was like this child that—this is what I've always felt this way—I’ve always felt like off. I don't know to explain it really. Like I wasn't like the other kids. I was an only child and spent a lot of time alone, and just went through some experiences that I would never wish upon anybody. Jung's , in Bollingen, Switzerland https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ And I made it out and I see so many people who don't. I mean, right now our country is in the middle of an opiate crisis, which nobody talks about. And it's just like, what is going on here? And I honestly do believe that everything that's going on here is a spiritual matter. And so I started with Carl Jung. And I don't know if you know a lot about Jung, but Carl Jung, his whole life—he started writing the Red Book, and this was his own personal notes and all these beautiful mandalas that he drew. And then he built himself like little—it wasn’t that little, but it's quite big. It's at Bollingen. They called the Little Castle. And this castle, it's so symbolic. He built it because of his dream. Because one day Jung said to himself, I'm 40 years old. He's like, what is this? I don't want to go to cocktail parties. This is stupid. He's like,