We continue to dive down the cohesion mine but instead of a historical interview, this time we get to have another candid interview with Ben Darwin as he travels through London in March 2022! Ben and Matt sit down and discuss the many questions and queries posed by the findings in Part 1 as well as respond to the explanation video that was released this week on Youtube detailing the rise and decline of Australian Rugby Union. We go through what Australian rugby needs to grapple with to improve our systems and why just cutting Super Rugby teams won't solve the issues. We talk Leinster's near perfect system, back handed compliments from Eddie Jones, MLR, English Premier League  and even touch on the Socceroos and that "Golden Generation". Put on the kettle and this time slice off a big wedge of cake and sit back as we dig deep with The Thinking Man's Prop himself.