The Wallabies and Springboks continue to have a decorated rivalry with the men in gold taking the latest chocolates over the reigning World Champions. But when it comes to peaks and troughs, both Australia and South Africa have many parallels in terms of controversy, challenges and dire patches in performance.  To unpack this we speak with Thala Msutu from the South African rugby website and soon-to-be podcast “Rugby Bits” and cover the recent games between the Wallabies and Boks in Queensland, the current status of rugby union in South Africa and the social and political complexities the sport faces, the “ex-girlfriend” that is Super Rugby and what comparisons can be drawn between the two countries when it comes to dealing with the “player drain” and the pressures placed on the national team to succeed. It’s a SANZAR discussion minus the NZ. Dig in!