In this episode, Josie and Debbie interview Michelle Holliday, author of The Age of Thrivability and international thought leader in living systems principles. We discuss the idea that in a regenerative model, our organisations and communities are dynamic living systems, and therefore the role of tourism is to help create the conditions for these living systems to thrive.  If you’ve been following along with us on this journey, this episode will feel like a turning point in our exploration. Michelle invites us into a deeper level of thinking about what regeneration means, encourages bigger and more philosophical questions, and challenges us to acknowledge the presence of life in ourselves, our businesses, and our communities.  There is a lot to take in in this episode, so we invite you to take your time with it, ponder it, and acknowledge the enormous mindset shift that this work is offering us. We have no doubt that you will find value in this episode and it is one we will revisit as we continue this journey. Connect with us Website Connect on Facebook Follow on Instagram  Send us an email: Josie - [email protected] Debbie - [email protected] Many thanks to: Michelle Holliday for joining us on GOOD Awaits and for the inspiration and support she's given us as we set out on this journey The teams at GOOD Travel and New Zealand Awaits Clarrie Macklin for our music and production  Erin Carnes for our logo and graphic design  Our givealittle donors for your generous support.  Episode Notes Age of Thrivability (Website and also where you can buy Michelle’s book) Contact Michelle: Website: michelleholliday.com  Twitter: @thrivability Email: [email protected] Pattern of Living Systems Ted Talk  Maslow got it wrong WAO Project - Wānaka Ruapehu Whānau Transformation Project Back to Life online regenerative tourism course with Anna Pollock Glossary: (Our guests will often use words from Te Reo Māori, New Zealand's indigenous language, in their interviews. We welcome and celebrate this, and for listeners outside of New Zealand for whom these may be unfamiliar, we offer an interpretation here to aid your understanding. For more detail, you can reference https://maoridictionary.co.nz/. We also offer explanations of acronyms and other industry terminology used in hope of making GOOD Awaits more accessible.) Manaakitanga - hospitality, care, welcome  Mauri - life force