Summary The conversation discusses the treatment of hostages in Gaza and the misconceptions surrounding their release. It highlights the purpose of taking hostages and the realities faced by those held captive. The radicalization of Gazan children and the responsibility of Palestinian adults are explored. The narrative of Gaza as an 'open air prison' is debunked, and the need for a better Palestinian government is emphasized. The conversation also addresses the sickening response to the released hostages and the lack of accountability for Hamas. The importance of Israel's existence and the commitment of the IDF to protect civilians are discussed. The conversation concludes with the need for education, facts, and a subjective understanding of sadness and proportionality. The conversation delves into the emotional impact of different scenarios and the need for understanding. It highlights the objective reality of hostage taking and the long-term consequences for the victims. The lack of trust in international organizations is discussed, along with the desire for balanced perspectives. The conversation concludes with a call for more pro-Palestinian podcasts and a shift in the format of live debates. Takeaways Hostages are taken for leverage and propaganda, and their treatment is often horrific. The radicalization of Gazan children is a significant issue that needs to be addressed. The narrative of Gaza as an 'open air prison' is misleading and fails to acknowledge the responsibility of Hamas. The response to the released hostages and the lack of accountability for Hamas are deeply concerning. Education, facts, and a subjective understanding of sadness and proportionality are crucial in discussing the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Understanding the emotional impact of different scenarios is crucial for empathy and perspective. Hostage taking is an objective reality with severe long-term consequences for the victims. Lack of trust in international organizations raises questions about their credibility and biases. Balanced perspectives are necessary for a comprehensive understanding of complex issues. There is a need for more pro-Palestinian podcasts to provide diverse perspectives. Changing the format of live debates can create a safer and more productive space for discussion. Follow Jess: Tik Tok: ⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@jewishjess?lang=en  Follow me on social media: Twitter: ⁠https://twitter.com/a__pet⁠  Instagram: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/a__pet/⁠  Podcast Instagram: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/greatworkpod/⁠  Tik Tok: ⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@a__pet⁠  All of my links: ⁠sprouter.app/greatworkpod⁠