In this episode, we introduced "growth debates" as a new segment. Marketers have struggled to choose either of them for growth. We wanted to give the full picture. 2:37 - Intros 5:09 - Why Vanessa loves thought leadership more than SEO 9:24 - Lusha's story about brand revamping and thought leadership 14:00 - George's client SEO story on ranking for growth 21:01 - Pros and cons of SEO 24:00 - Pros and cons of thought leadership 28:00 - Backlinks seem to be a useless process in SEO -- Listen to Geroge's take 31:05 - George's take on constantly fighting on ranking and content updating 34:48 - What about the long unnecessary articles that the visitors don't need for SEO? 38:41 - Vanessa's take on thought leadership could be a hit or miss. 42:59 - What about thought leadership not contributing to the revenue? (Vanessa's response) 45:04 - What's the right percentage to allocate thought leadership vs SEO as a content team? 52:44 - My take on the whole debate Key Links Reach to Vanessa for her amazing thoughtsReach out George if you want help with SEOGeorge's agency MinutiaCheck out Lusha.com (Vanessa's company) Supported by - Growth Mentor What if you could tap into the experience of 340+ startup and marketing mentors? Have 1-on-1 conversations about growth, marketing, and everything in between with the world's top 3% of startup and marketing mentors. Use the code aazar15 and get an exclusive 15% discount for Growth Mentor listeners.