What's it like to live with between 300 and 400 spiders? In this episode, we think about the relationships that exist between people and spiders, discovering what it's like to care for and value these creatures which are so contentious to the general public. Tom chats with Tea Francis, spider-person, spider-advocate, spider-keeper, to learn how to care for spiders, and to gain a fresh perspective on our eight-legged mates. We also explore the connection between spider care and counter-culture, look at the ethics of spider care, and consider the unpleasant instances when placing oneself in a position of care for a spider can be a misguided, ego-centric act.