We interviewed Taiwanese scholar and sociologist Dr. Ming-sho Ho. Ho, who currently serves as a professor of sociology at National Taiwan University, is a leading expert on modern social movements in Taiwan and Hong Kong, as well as the complex relationship between identity and politics. In an informative and timely interview, Ho shares his thoughts on the legacy of the Sunflower and Umbrella Movements, the ongoing protests in Hong Kong, and the role of China as an adversary. Producer: Marshall Reid, Jack Liu Host: Marshall Reid, Jack Liu Edit: Joseph Ross Music: Joseph Ross