We interviewed Dr. Janka Oertel, the director of the Asia program and senior policy fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations (ECFR). At ECFR, Oertel conducts research on a wide range of topics, including EU-China relations, US-China relations, and 5G and emerging technologies. In an engaging interview, she shares her perspectives on the current state of EU-China relations, the potential for expanded transatlantic cooperation under the Biden administration, and opportunities for Taiwan to expand its footprint in Europe. Producer: Marshall Reid, Jack Liu Hosts: Marshall Reid, Joseph Ross Edit: Jack Liu Music: Joseph Ross