In this episode of Guerrilla History, we bring on two wonderful comrades to take on a pretty big topic of traitors and sellouts, the processes that take place that cause ideological changing, and some case studies of this phenomenon, including the discussion of Zak Cope's recent heel turn from Thirdworldist to radical free market capitalist and Zionist, and how to try to prevent this from happening within our organizations and within ourselves.  We could not ask for better guests to tackle this topic than returning friend Manny Ness, who had collaborated with Cope in the past, and J. Moufawad Paul, who in addition to being a friend of the show also wrote "Obituary": Zak Cope in the aftermath of this situation.  You definitely will want to listen closely here! J. Moufawad Paul is a professor of philosophy at York University and the author of several books including Continuity and Rupture, Politics in Command: A Taxonomy of Economism, and Critique of Maoist Reason.  He also is one of the editors at the fantastic Material journal, and has a blog M-L-M Mayhem that you should check out. Be sure to also follow him on twitter @MLM_Mayhem. Immanuel Ness is Professor of Political Science at Brooklyn College, City University of New York and Visiting Professor of Sociology at the University of Johannesburg.  He is the author or editor of numerous works including Organizing Insurgency: Workers' Movements in the Global South, Southern Insurgency: The Coming of the Global Working Class, The Palgrave Encyclopedia of Imperialism and Anti-Imperialism, and the incredible Journal of Labor and Society.  You can follow Manny on twitter @ImmanuelNess. Help support the show by signing up to our patreon, where you also will get bonus content: https://www.patreon.com/guerrillahistory