An unusual visit with folks off planet.  First Jennifer talks about losing her dad's ring prior to our last podcast.  Fortunately, she was able to find it, again, but it allowed us to ask her father on the flipside about it. Jim has been a frequent visitor to our conversations - since Jennifer and I started meeting up 8 years ago.  He passed back in 2017, and when he started visiting us, I realized that Jennifer couldn't speak when he was around. So I asked him "What can we tell people in terms of helping them with grief?" He said "Try to move grief to nostalgia."  I didn't know what that meant, nor did Jennifer. He explained, "Grief is sad memories, nostalgia is a combination of sad and happy memories. When you can move grief to nostalgia you begin the healing process." It was a profound statement. I asked him if he was "taking any classes" on the flipside (something people often report) and he took his daughter into "deep space" and described an advanced class in astrophysics.  He warned Jennifer that she might be freaked out by the appearance of the teacher. I asked if we could speak directly to her and it turns how she has 8 arms. For those familiar with Tibetan Buddhist or Hindu deities, that's not such an odd thing to see or encounter.  I asked her if people on the planet knew her and she said that was the case. I did some research to learn that there was a deity named "Ma Durga" that fit the description. So the next time we did a podcast, I asked Jim to take us back to his classroom and asked her if she went by that name. Jennifer had never heard it before, but she said that was how people refer to her. So today, in our conversation with Luana Anders, our moderator on the flipside, suggested that I needed to "dig deeper" in my next book, which is about people who report seeing aliens - in their dreams, in their guided meditations or visits to their councils. (Some can be found at DIVINE COUNCILS IN THE AFTERLIFE).  In the podcast, Luana pointed out that I needed to combine some of the research. I just realized that the reason Jennifer saw a connection between George Noory (Coast to Coast) and the book, is because George is a reference to the Contact in the Desert meeting, as he hosts a panel each year. At some point, I ask Luana why she brought up Jesus and she says "Jesus is an alien."  I ask if she means that literally, or figurately since we all could be considered aliens, because we all incarnate on other planets and choose to incarnate on earth. (35% of the reports from the Newton Institute include memories of lifetimes off planet.) Be that as it may, it makes me realize that I need to add more of this research into the latest book.  Then, because of that conversation with Jim and his teacher Ma Durga from years ago (It's in the book BACKSTAGE PASS TO THE FLIPSIDE) I asked if it was possible to speak to her again. She has eight arms. She also looks like a woman, but wears a large green cape.  (That's the visual that Jennifer got.)  In this interview, I had a question pop into my head - "Why the 8 arms?" I was going to ask if it was because everyone "on her planet has 8 arms." Instead Jennifer answered "It's because she was an octopus in a previous lifetime and get the energy of that persona."  It goes to how people report we project an image to others on the flipside - we choose the persona we want to project, based on our experiences with it. She explained that she had been a girl on the planet, and then an octopus (or vice versa) and that in between lives - in this classroom - she projects that image. Asked about her classroom instruction, she spoke about the lectures about how time is different on different planets, in different realms, in different universes.  (I mention how that's the subject of the film #INTERSTELLAR and she said that was accurate.) Another mind bending journey into the flipside. We spoke to Jennifer's father, a former Mormon bishop, as well as Ma Durga, a Hindu deity who teac