Dr John Matthias joins Lauren to talk about the days evidence after the defense's expert psychologist testifies. Lauren Matthias is inside the Courtroom in Delphi, Indiana for the trial of Richard Allen, and bringing us the very latest from Carroll County as the trial has no audio or video recording. Richard Allen is charged with murdering 13-year-old Abigail Williams and 14-year-old Liberty German in 2017. About Hidden True Crime: Lauren Matthias, a former television reporter, and her husband Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season, 'Beyond the Veil,' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet. What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime Our Sponsors: * Check out Acorns: https://acorns.com/HIDDENTRUECRIME * Check out Quince: https://quince.com/hiddentruecrime * Check out Rosetta Stone and use my code TODAY for a great deal: https://www.rosettastone.com * Check out Sunbasket: https://sunbasket.com/HIDDENTRUECRIME * Check out Uncommon Goods: https://uncommongoods.com/HIDDENTRUECRIME * Get 15% off on your entire first order at happymammoth.com with code HIDDENTRUECRIME at checkout! Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/hidden-a-true-crime-podcast1836/donations Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy