Channeling my younger self as a producer of a local Christian music video show, I'm excited to journey back in time and explore a vastly different era of faith and music. Joining me is the enlightening Reverend Ruin Martin Oakley, who has walked his spiritual path from Pentecostalism to atheism, and now identifies as a universalist and pantheist. Reverend Oakley's spiritual expedition is a fascinating tale of faith deconstruction, sparked by questions that led him to authors like Christopher Hitchens and ultimately propelled him to his current beliefs. His is a testament to the power of questioning and evolving our beliefs.  In the spirit of our nostalgia trip, we journey back to the 90s, a time of Christian music explosion spanning genres from ska to hard metal. We walk down memory lane, reminiscing about Adobe after effects and my own forays into music video production across the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. Our dialogue extends beyond spirituality and music, touching upon the polarizing influence of leaders, tribalism, and religious interpretations. We also spar over popular television shows and movies, revealing our contrasting tastes and perspectives. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices