Longtime acquaintances Jim Malliard and Chris George Zuger reunited on Malliard's podcast after years of drifting apart. The two friends caught up on life and families, but also had an in-depth discussion about the UFO and disclosure community. Drawing on his past involvement, Chris argued the field is dominated by entertainment rather than real science. He doubted claims of alien visitation, feeling advanced civilizations would avoid dysfunctional humans. Along with skeptical takes on UFOs, the two discussed changes in media and conspiracies. They reminisced about enjoying past collaborations and mutual support, leaving the door open to work together again. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices