Joel Michael Herbert is an artist, coach, speaker, and musician. Joel opens up about his profound and often challenging journey from growing up in a conservative religious environment to becoming a worship pastor, and eventually deconstructing his faith. Through personal stories and key influences like Brennan Manning, Donald Miller, and Rachel Held Evans, Joel shares how he navigated through doubt, academic scrutiny, and a shifting theological landscape. Together, we discuss the impact of the 2016 election, the ongoing quest for truth, and the importance of holding beliefs loosely. The conversation underscores the complexities of faith, growth, and transformation, offering you a raw and genuine exploration of spiritual evolution.