In this episode, Leslie speaks with former pastor Kyle Butler, who shares his transformative journey through deconstructing his religious upbringing. The conversation delves into Kyle's upbringing, his experiences with religious fear and indoctrination, and the realization of his true beliefs. The discussion also explores the psychological impact of religious teachings, the importance of self-love and critical thinking, and the process of deconstructing faith. Kyle emphasizes the value of finding personal peace and happiness, irrespective of traditional religious frameworks, offering a fresh perspective to listeners navigating their own spiritual journeys.