Linn Ullmann talks to the American poet Terrance Hayes about poetry in the time of pandemics and Trump, about intimacy and vulnerability, about his obsession with time, form and order, and about poetry as both weapon and refuge. Music by Kingocito and Sandra Kolstad. Artwork by Julius Vidarsønn Langhoff. The signal between Oslo and New York is unfortunately somewhat suboptimal – something we experience from time to time in this zoom era. We hope you can hear past this, and enjoy Terrance Hayes’ thoughtful reflections and beautiful readings! Read more and get a bonus poem in our show notes, right here. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.