Senior Manager’s note: Sarah D’Angelo is a passionate advocate for patient education and increasing empathy among caretakers, care providers, and the general public for chronic pain. She uses her skills as an artist, writer, and scientist as a way to bring visibility to the invisible and complex processes of pain. As a pain patient herself, she has first-hand experience with the difficulties of dealing with pain on a daily basis. She talks openly about some of her experiences and struggles in the hopes of reducing the stigmatization of pain. Sarah graduated with her B.S. degree in May 2021 from Rutgers University, New Jersey, US. She plans to apply to Neuroscience doctoral programs in the US to further her education and specialize in the field of pain neuroscience. She hopes to bridge some of the translational gaps within preclinical pain research by exploring the bidirectional relationships existing between chronic pain and other biological mechanisms and neuroethology.    In the podcast below, recorded in September 2021, Sarah speaks with PRF Correspondent Bhushan Thakkar, a PhD student at Virginia Commonwealth University, Richmond, US. They discuss Sarah’s lived experiences with pain, her role as a pain advocate and pain scientist, and how these two roles can co-exist amidst the challenges they present. Additionally, Sarah discusses her career goals and how she uses her art to talk about chronic pain.