This episode of The Conversation’s In Depth Out Loud podcast features a report from two doctors on the frontline of the second wave of coronavirus in Liverpool. Tom Wingfield, an infectious diseases physician at Liverpool School of Tropical Medicine and the University of Liverpool, and Miriam Taegtmeyer, professor of global health at Liverpool School of Tropical Medicine, describe what it’s like for healthcare workers who continue to put their lives and those of their families on the line. They set out the problems they and their colleagues are facing around the country, some lessons we might be able to learn from the first wave, and some positive developments which will make the future a little brighter. You can read the text version of this in-depth article here. The audio version is read by Megan Clement and produced by Gemma Ware. This story came out of a project at The Conversation called Coronavirus Insights supported by Research England. The music is Night Caves, by Lee Rosevere. In Depth Out Loud is made by the charity The Conversation. By bringing together academics and journalists, we generate articles and podcasts that are grounded in research expertise, but also engage with and set the news agenda. We believe that the sharing of knowledge in this way helps inform better decision making. If you’re able to support what we do, you can do so here. Thank you! See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.