Parents refusing to use vaccinated blood for their gravely ill baby have said they are desperate for their child to be operated on, but claim they need “safe blood”. Today on the Herald’s In the Loop podcasts co-hosts Katie Harris and Aaron Dahmen unpack the case and what experts believe. Later in the episode the review into the death of five-year-old Malachi Subecz (6.45), what Kiwis really think about 16-year-olds voting (13.10), China’s mass protests (17.50) and the Balenciaga catalogue controversy (27.20). Follow us on Instagram at itlpod :) See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.