Ian goes big brain mode with Ruban Nielson of Unknown Mortal Orchestra talking the state of music media, the collapse of artistic ecosystems, Legs McNeil and Lester Bangs, Carles and Hipster Runoff, coming to terms with your lack of control, loving Public Image Limited and Steely Dan equally, and the opportunities afforded by the crack up of the established order. FOLLOW RUBAN ON X DOT COM COP UMO'S "V"