Matthias invited Martin to discuss the importance of physical access control in the context of identity and access management (IAM) and cybersecurity. Martin highlights the three layers of access control: physical access, logical access to systems, and authentication and authorization. They also explore the impact of regulations, such as the Digital Operations Resilience Act (DORA), on the requirements for physical security. The conversation delves into the integration of physical access control with identity management systems and the challenges and opportunities in this area. The need for a stronger governance layer for physical access control is emphasized, along with the convergence of physical and logical access. The episode concludes with a discussion on the restriction of access and the importance of telling the story of limited access to customers and citizens.