What are the nuances of driving innovation within a law firm or legal department? For an inside perspective on that question, we speak with Rachel Dooley, who at the time of this recording was chief innovation officer at the law firm Goodwin Procter, and Ilona Logvinova, managing counsel and head of innovation for McKinsey Legal. Dooley and Logvinova spoke together at the recent Knowledge Management & Innovation for Legal Conference in New York City, sharing their views and insights on innovation from their unique perspectives. Shortly after they spoke, they sat down live with LawNext host Bob Ambrogi to record this conversation about innovation in legal.  Note that since we recorded this conversation, Dooley has left Goodwin Procter. This is the third LawNext episode featuring conversations recorded at the conference. To listen to the prior two, check out: Two KM Keynotes – Andrea Alliston, KM Leader At Fasken, and Mark Smolik, GC at DHL, On Disruption and Innovation in Legal, in which we spoke with the conference’s two keynote speakers.  The Founders of Two Legal Tech Startups: Nicole Clark of Trellis and Kevin Walker and Bryan Davis of Centari, featuring interviews with two of the startups that attended the conference.  The conference was organized by Patrick DiDomenico, president and founder of InspireKM Consulting, and Joshua Fireman, president and founder of the strategic consulting firm Fireman & Company, an Epiq Company.  Thank You To Our Sponsors This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out. Paradigm, home to the practice management platforms PracticePanther, Bill4Time, MerusCase and LollyLaw; the e-payments platform Headnote; and the legal accounting software TrustBooks. DocReviewPad, the easy-to-use app to review, organize issue code, and produce documents Legalweek NY 2024, Described as the “one legal event that hits all the marks for information, education, and networking”    If you enjoy listening to LawNext, please leave us a review wherever you listen to podcasts.