A conversation between Angela Hui and Rebecca May Johnson, recorded just after their respective debut non-fiction books had been published. An exploration of the importance of valuing and demonstrating labour within cooking, of novelty versus repetition, and of the idea of rejecting food writing as a category. You can find Takeaway by Angela Hui and Small Fires by Rebecca May Johnson at all good bookshops now. Mentions: Cathy Park Hong's part poetry part memoir (Angela) Audre Lorde - Zami (Rebecca) Luce Giard and Michel de Certeau -The Practice of Everyday Life (Rebecca) Ocean Vuong - On Earth We're Briefly Gorgeous (Angela) Nuar Alsadir on how to be your own freaky clown (Rebecca) You can listen back to Rebecca on a very early episode of Lecker here... This is the first of three episodes this month about contemporary personal food writing and memoir - stay tuned for more! Ben McDonald creates original illustrations for Lecker - find them on the Lecker Twitter and Instagram. If you’re in a position to, please considering supporting Lecker. Buy merch here and become a Patron at patreon.com/leckerpodcast. This month's exclusive episode will include more from this conversation between Angela and Rebecca! You can find out more about how to support Lecker (including one-off donations) at leckerpodcast.com/support. Music is by Blue Dot Sessions. Full transcript on the Lecker website.