In episode 53, Marc welcomes in author, podcaster, shaman and chaos magician Gordon White. Gordon details the magic journey that led him into the odd realm where the spiritual meets the para-political, lays out his definition of "magic", and delivers a bit of a Magic 101 course for Marc Clair Show listeners. Gordon digs into his belief that the cosmos is "co-creative", and how magic acts as the expression of that principle. Gordon further expands on concepts like ancestral trauma, grimoires, chaos magic & the role of AI in this magical edition of the Marc Clair Show! In the Smoke-Filled Room bonus segment for Marc Clair Show Premium subscribers, Gordon digs deeper into his early childhood experiences with sleep paralysis and "hag attacks" and how in hindsight those experiences were integral to his magical journey. What does he think of these experiences looking back? Were they aliens, demons...or something else entirely? And find out what Gordon thinks of the current UFO/UAP propaganda. Is it all just a cover for something even more sinister? Support our funtastic sponsors at Fox n' Sons Coffee - FoxnSons.com - use discount code MCS for 18% off you order! Subscribe on one of the following platforms to get the full version of every episode including the "Smoke-Filled Room" before anyone else, as well as exclusive bonus episodes! Patreon: Patreon.com/MarcClairShow Rokfin: Rokfin.com/MarcClairShow SubscribeStar: Subscribestar.com/Marc-Clair-Show Join the Marc Clair Show Telegram Chat Follow Marc's writing at MarcClair.Substack.com Check out Marc and Remso Martinez on the Second Print Comics Podcast. Find links to all of my platforms and premium subscription sites over at MarcClair.com.