This week editor Joe is shown around one of London’s posher bits by the incomparably clever, endlessly fascinating Hans Ulrich Obrist. The Serpentine director (and mega-curator) talks video games, his horrifying sleep schedule and putting on avant-garde art shows in his kitchen. A bizarre and uniquely enlightening chat. Check out what’s on at the Serpentine galleries (including their Park Nights evening series) right here. Follow Hans’ very famous and influential Instagram account.  Like the podcast? Stay on top of all things London with Time Out’s truly excellent newsletter, Out Here. Production, editing and sound design by David Clack at Perfect Loop Productions. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices