Were they both guilty, or was one truly the mastermind? Retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke joins host Tony Brueski to weigh in on the shocking case of Ruby Franke and Jodi Hildebrandt. After a Utah judge ruled both women receive 15-year consecutive sentences for their horrific abuse of children, complex questions linger. Was Franke vulnerable, easily manipulated, and truly capable of rehabilitation?   Dreeke unpacks the possibility of religious extremism contributing to Frankie's crimes.  How did this family become so broken, and was this harsh punishment justified? Hildebrandt, the charismatic counselor, faces the same sentence. Did she truly care about the children she abused, or were her claims of love all part of her act? Dreeke analyzes Hildebrandt's courtroom conduct and whether her lack of remorse signals a dangerous sociopath. This fascinating case raises serious questions about accountability, manipulation, and potential for change. Don't miss this thought-provoking discussion.   Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK’s Unconfessed Crimes, Delphi Murders: Inside the Crime, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Malevolent Mormon Mommys, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com