Charles and Jon talk to Professor Jo Setchell from her home in the UK. Dr Setchell, a distinguished primatologist and anthropologist, has studied primates in Cameroon, Gabon, the DRC and Borneo and has particular research interests in sexual selection among Mandrills and primate conservation. Destined for a career in primatology from the age of two, when she was inseparable from her toy monkey, Jo's fascinating research has proved important for science and conservation. And some work - such as discovering that the reddest male Mandrills are a sort of simian Brad Pitt - has cast a whole new light on Mandrill romance. Notes: Jon's trip report from Bioko Island will soon be available at https://www.mammalwatching.com/bioko-island/.  Charles's 2022 Lynx trip is here.  And this is a video of the UK "mole hunter" Jon mentioned. But is it a hoax? And if not, how can we learn this magic?! Here is the YouTube trailer. For more information visit www.mammalwatching.com/podcast Cover photo - Jo Setchell. Dr Charles Foley is a mammalwatcher and biologist who, together with his wife Lara, spent 30 years studying elephants in Tanzania. They now run the Tanzania Conservation Research Program at the Lincoln Park Zoo in Chicago. Jon Hall set up mammalwatching.com in 2005. Genetically Welsh, spiritually Australian, currently in New York City. He has looked for mammals in over 100 countries.