Charles and Jon talk to distinguished mammalogist Dr Roland Kays, head of the Biodiversity lab at the North Carolina Museum of Natural Sciences and a Professor at North Carolina State University. Roland has published on sloth sleep and incognito Olinguitos and written a North American mammal field guide - also an app - that many of you will have. Roland talks about his work describing the Olinguito, one of the most significant new mammal discoveries of the 21st Century (it was the first new carnivore for the Western Hemisphere in 35 years). He explains his love of both Fishers and Porcupines and the quest to capture footage of the former hunting the latter. And he explains, with great clarity, the secret recipe to Canis soupus! Notes: Roland's Field Guide to the Mammals of North America is also available as an Apple and Android app (look for "Mammals of North America"). Roland's Wild Animals Podcast is now into Season 3, and he has a Youtube Channel with the same name. This is the Fisher vs Porcupine video he mentioned. Cover photo: Roland and a Kinkajou by Mathias Klum. Here is the YouTube trailer. For more information visit www.mammalwatching.com/podcast You can email us at [email protected] Dr Charles Foley is a mammalwatcher and biologist who, together with his wife Lara, spent 30 years studying elephants in Tanzania. They now run the Tanzania Conservation Research Program at the Lincoln Park Zoo in Chicago. Jon Hall set up mammalwatching.com in 2005. Genetically Welsh, spiritually Australian, currently in New York City. He has looked for mammals in over 100 countries.