On episode 32 of Mature Me, Rich has a vulnerable conversation with Ben Houston, former Lead Pastor of Hillsong LA. They talk through the burdens and blessings of leadership, some of Ben's challenges while pastoring a big church, and what he's looking forward to in the future. Stay tuned to all of Rich’s latest content: https://www.richwilkersonjr.com Watch this episode on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCARNPkLHwzeC4KSXGu4RISQ  Follow Rich on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/richwilkersonjr/ Follow Rich on TikTok: ⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@richwilkersonjr?lang=en⁠