This interview is with Rev. Robert Odukatum who is a District Overseer, a position to support the Bishop's work of caring for and teaching pastors. He lives in Katakwi, Uganda and serves with Pentecostal Assemblies of God Uganda. In our conversation we talk about his years of doing youth ministry, the huge task of training pastors, and the many challenges that rural pastors face. Interviewed October 25th, 2021.