Municipalities across Ontario are being asked to step up their game in terms of carbon reduction strategies. But the journey to net zero may just lie with a familiar face. Shannon Joseph of the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers (CAPP) joins Thomas and Jared on the Good Roads Podcast to discuss how an "all or nothing" approach to carbon reduction could actually be detrimental to a net zero future. Hear why CAPP believes our standard of living, progress on emissions reduction, and Indigenous reconciliation could all be affected without a balance of energy sources – including natural gas and oil.