The thirteenth episode of the Michael and Myles (M&M) podcast finds us lucky enough to be joined by Dr Tim Fawns, Deputy Programme Director on the MSc in Clinical Education at the University of Edinburgh. In this episode, we talk about pastoral support, the lowering of expectations, mental health, and community building online, and assessment among other topics. As always, this episode is hosted by Michael Gallagher, a Lecturer in Digital Education at the Centre for Research in Digital Education, and Myles Blaney, a service manager in Digital Learning Applications and Media both of the University of Edinburgh.